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Cubicle 7 Announces New RPG License

For those who have not heard the news, the folks at Cubicle 7 announced a new roleplaying game license this weekend at Dragonmeet.

The tv series Primeval is to given the rpg treatment, using the same system that was used for Doctor Who: Adventures in Time and Space.

I've been expecting the folks at Cubicle 7 to make this announcement for a couple of weeks, since I'd heard about it a bit in advance, and to be honest, I have to say that I'm quite pleased to hear that Primeval is going to get adapted as a roleplaying game.

While the Primeval tv series has had a lot of promise over its three series (granted there are only six or seven episodes per series), the show has drawn poor ratings (hence the cancellation, although fan demand has brought it back for at least two new series) and either accolades or blatant "this show really is crap" reviews. With all of that said, Primeval is a show that definitely has a very neat premise that seems to have been forgotten about by the show's writers, but will make for an excellent rpg. The sheer potential for the game is huge in terms of what can be done with the world of Primeval in the game context, the ability to do stuff that the series won't or can't, and perhaps to come up with our own answers as players and GMs about the Anomalies and their origins.

I think that the Primeval RPG has the potential to allow players and GMs to do more with the world than was seen in the series, and to develop stuff somewhat.

While I'm a bit disappointed that there won't be a boxed set, as I would have liked to have seen a ton of beasties detailed, all of the major players from the tv series statted out, and lots of material on different time periods and the like that can be used in the game, as well as a fleshed out system for creating Primeval beasties, I'm glad that the book will at least be a hardcover.

So, I can't wait to see this game! :)


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Dec. 18th, 2010 10:45 am (UTC)
Here via anomaly_news.

I'm a bit clueless about stuff like this and can't work out what the format for the game will be, although I see you mention a hardback book. Could you expand a bit? I'm curious, and also a sucker for Primeval merchandise.

Also, to pick up on a couple of your comments, it certainly wasn't any problem with ratings that lead to the cancellation. It was simply the economic downturn biting at ITV and the cancellation of all pre-watershed drama. I did an interview quite recently with Tim Haines and Adrian Hodges and they were very forthcoming on the subject of the reasons behind the show's cancellation and return. It's on primeval_denial Here if you're interested. You can also find the rest of the interview, which I posted in 6 parts using the interview tag. They also talked about other possible spin-offs from the show.

RPGs are something I have absolutely no experience of, but I;d very much like to know how the Primeval one will progress.
Dec. 18th, 2010 03:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks for posting here, Fred. Much obliged. :)

In terms of the roleplaying game for Primeval, the game is being done using the same ruleset that has been used for the Doctor Who: Adventures in Time and Space roleplaying game. That game was published as several softcover books in a boxed set, but the Primeval game will be done as a hardcover volume. If you have any other questions about the roleplaying game, please don't hesitate to ask and I'll do my best to answer you.

I actually did read the six interviews that you did, and was very pleased with stuff that you learned. My only disappointment at the moment is that there's been no news on whether Primeval Series 4 or 5 will air here in Canada, since I don't get BBC America. :( I knew that it was the economic down-turn that caused the cancellation, but to be honest, I think that if the ratings had been better, ITV still might not have cancelled the series. Just my $0.02, of course.

Btw, needless to say, I will be posting here on my blog about how stuff is progressing with the Primeval game for certain. :)
Dec. 18th, 2010 04:07 pm (UTC)
That's great info, thanks. I'll certainly be buying it, even if I've never done any RPG stuff. But I'll keep an eye out for the Dr Who stuff to see how it works.

I asked afterwards out airings in other regions, but the guys at Impossible didn't have a clue. Apparently they don't get more than a few weeks' notice of airing dates in other areas as it seems wholly down to the networks.

Have you got a DVD player that can handle European stuff? The DVDs will be out mid-Feb, I think.

If you get any more info on the game/book, you'd be very welcome to post in Denial. I'm sure there are folks who would be interested. We do have quite a few gamers on the comm who are always happy to chat about Primeval stuff.

The ratings point is an interesting one, but I thing economics was still the deciding fact. The recession had bitten badly at that point and ITV had seen a massive downturn in revenue. They certainly seemed happy enough to reverse the decision when presented with a much cheaper deal. Certainly all credit to Impossible for not giving up at the first hurdle. Even though it was a big one!

Speaking of books, have you read the Primeval spin offs?

Dec. 18th, 2010 06:48 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, mate. :)

The Doctor Who: Adventures in Time and Space uses a very simple set of game mechanics that have a lot of potential in terms of the Primeval license, and I think that it will work very well for the game.

I'm sad to hear that the folks at Impossible didn't know about the airing of S4 of the show in Canada. I just have to hope that the Canadian sf station picks it up, as they did show the first three series.

Unfortunately, I don't have a DVD player that can handle the European format, but have to hope that since BBC America will be showing the series, that they'll do a DVD set in North America as well. Btw, how many episodes are there supposed to be for Series 4?

Will definitely keep folks up to date about the Primeval rpg, and any developments with it. Had no idea that there were gamers among the folks who like the show. Shows what I know. :)

You make an interesting series of points about the original cancellation of the series, and I am glad to hear that that Impossible never gave up on getting more of the series out there. Really sad to see that Laila Rouass left the series, as the angle that she brought to the study of Anomalies and the like was fascinating. And I still miss Nick Cutter an awful lot.

Yes, I've read the Primeval novels, though they were devilishly hard to get hold of, and cost me a pretty penny or five. Don't know how many of them there were, and why they were only in the small hardcovers. But I do hope there will be more Primeval novels in future.

Dec. 18th, 2010 08:06 pm (UTC)
I think there are 7 eps in s4 and 6 in s5.

It was a shame Laila couldn't manage the move to Dublin for filming, but I have to say the character was a difficult one to know what to do with in the context of the series as her angle was a bit limited.

My main allegiance to characters lies with Ryan and Stephen, but yes, I'll miss Cutter.

I hope there will be further books, but again, that was something Impossible had no idea about. If you ever need anything from the UK like books, let me know. I'm sure there'd be something I needed from your neck of the woods in return.

If you liked the novels I strongly recommend checking out the two Virtual Series we've written and produced in Denial. They're novel length, and written to the same sort of feel as the books.
Dec. 18th, 2010 09:57 pm (UTC)
The number of eps sounds about right for the series. Still, it makes it more difficult to market in a country where series usually have 22 episodes per season for a full season run.

Yeah, definitely a shame about Laila. (And she's hot!) :) I actually kind of liked the myths and legends business at the beginning of Series 3, but could see the limited appeal of that after Nick was gone. Still, it would have been interesting to see how that plot could have been developed.

I can't say I was happy with the Becker take-over, and I really did like Captain Ryan. (He never had a first name did he?) The business with Helen screwing Stephen on the side was a bit of a turn-off, and I always thought it was a mistake to get rid of the Stephen Hart character. Just think, can keep him around in the version of the ARC I run when the Primeval rpg comes out! :)

I had no idea that Impossible didn't know about the books. They would have to be licenced through them, would they not? Or was that done through ITV? ::pause:: And according to the interior of the Titan books, they were licenced through Impossible.

Will definitely check out the two Virtual Series for sure. :)
Dec. 19th, 2010 08:35 am (UTC)
Presumably it'll end up being marketed as 13 eps when the second part has aired.

I suspect the problem with Laila's character was that episodes using the mythology angle would have got a bit samey, and beyond that they seemed to be turning her into a female Connor, which is the direction they've gone in with Jess, by the look of it.

Ryan was a lovely solid character. And a delight for a fan fic writer as he was such a blank slate. Yes, his first name was Tom. It appeared in the credits, but was never used on the show. The total opposite of Becker where we get no name in the credits, and not in the show either! Although it was nice to get confirmation of his name from Adrian and Tim.

Sorry, I was being unclear about the books. I meant that they didn't know yet whether there would be any more. Although the RPG thing is a hopeful sign.

Yes, I was very unhappy when they got rid of Stephen, and I wasn't enamoured by the Nick/Stephen angst in s2. He was too pretty to be killed off!!!

How does the RPG book thing work? I'm in France for the next couple of weeks, so can't check out bookshops for the others.
Dec. 19th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
That would imply that they will put the two Series on one DVD set. That means waiting for quite a while, methinks. :(

I don't know whether the focus on mythology and legend would have had a same-ness to them, since Laila's Sarah Page never really got developed in Series 3. Her best episode was likely the first one and the seventh one, when she went through the Anomaly to the mediaeval past to learn about the knight. That was fun stuff. :)

I actually liked Ryan, and loved the temporal business about his death in the prehistoric past. That was a great touch, even though I thought that he had finally gotten a decent work relationship going with Cutter before they killed him off. Tom Ryan? Nice to know. This is the problem with not giving people first names in the series, because that gives you an idea of who's going to die! :)

Not a problem about the books. I really hope that there are more novels, and that they are more readily accessible.

Well, the [i]Primeval[/i] RPG isn't out yet; won't be out for a few months yet. So you can't buy the game yet. :)

When you ask "How does the RPG book thing work" question, what exactly do you mean here?
Dec. 19th, 2010 03:51 pm (UTC)
I can't quite work out how you can do an RPG in book format. In fact I can't get my head around it at all, so even a basic explanation would help, if you have time.
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:17 pm (UTC)
Do you mean in terms of how you create characters and the like, or something else here?
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
It's how the book format fits in that I don't understand.

Erm, this is probably a bit like trying to explain colour to someone who's blind. I think I totally lack a frame of reference, if you know what I mean.
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:33 pm (UTC)
Umm, do me a favour, Fred, and drop me an e-mail at my personal addy: johnk100 AT sympatico DOT ca ? We can talk about stuff like this more properly there. :)
Dec. 19th, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
Just sent a test mail.
Mar. 20th, 2011 12:15 am (UTC)
How come you dont have your site viewable in mobile format? Can not view anything in my netbook.
Mar. 20th, 2011 12:59 am (UTC)
Because I don't use a mobile. :)

And the LJ webpages of mine should be viewable just fine. No one else I know has problems with this.
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